swooop ([info]swooop) wrote,
@ 2005-10-17 07:42:00
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More on Poetry
Okay, first: Go White Sox!

Second: Despite Geni's encouragement that I copy her seriously awesome series on the ABCs of Art History and do one on Poetry after seeing my entry on WCW, I ultimately decided not to. Couple of reasons--first, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing, and people's heads might explode from all the learning and culture. Second, I'm lazy. Third, I don't want to committ myself to finding a poet whose name starts with Q. Fourth, I don't have the coding skills needed to format stuff and upload nifty pictures and so forth. I'm a great believer in the idea that if you can't do anything right, you shouldn't bother to do it at all.

It is a great idea, certainly, and I have no objection to anyone stealing it if they want to devote the time to it. I only ask, if you thieve my idea, that you do it properly and not half-assed.

Meanwhile, I was rereading "The Wasteland" yesterday morning (because I know how to live it up on a Sunday, people--reading extremely long and windy poems), and thought about some lesser-known stuff of Eliot's, and so I give you one of his Landscapes poems, his ode to New Hampshire:

Children's voices in the orchard
Between the blossom-and the fruit-time:
Golden head, crimson head,
Between the green tip and the root,
Black wing, brown wing, hover over;
Twenty years and the spring is over;
To-day grieves, to-morrow grieves,
Cover me over, light-in-leaves;
Golden head, black wing,
Cling, swing,
Spring, sing
Swing up into the apple tree.


Typical Eliot, if not one of his more successful pieces; it's a bit earlier than his better known "Wasteland" or even the "Sweeney" poems, but you can see the Eliot hallmarks even in something this basic: the repetition of words to draw emphasis on tone, the sing-songy rhymes to establish a physical rhythm**--those ending bits lend the motion to the idea of a child's swing in an orchard because the words echo nonsensical children's rhymes coupled with the rhythm of a simple swing swaying up and down.

And yet there's a sense of menace lying underneath this--the insistance that "twenty years and the spring is over" and the repetition of the word "grieves", followed by a burial image in "cover me over." Innocence is soon lost.

**Most of Eliot's stuff is entirely too long to post here, but there are oodles of good websites with complete poems. But the best short example I can think of that captures the idea of motion by marrying word tone with rhythm is a tiny bit from "The Wasteland": "O O O O That Shakespearian Rag---/It's so elegant/so intelligent". You can here the Charlestony 20's music running through that. And yet he throws you backwards in time with the Rag (i.e. ragtime music) being "Skakespearian". Genius.

And that's your brief poetry lesson for today folks...



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[info]dichroic
2005-10-17 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Q isn't too bad - you simply diverge a little and excerpt from Quiller-Couch's On Poetry. X might be tough, though.

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[info]dichroic
2005-10-17 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Come to think of it, A would be tough too - choosing between Anon. and Auden. Actually, I think the choices might be the hardest part. Do you go with Marvell or Marlowe? Blake or Bly or Browning? (And which Browning? No, on second thought, that one would be easy.) Is Wallace Stevens doomed to obscurity because he shares initials with WIlliam Shakespeare, or do you assume everyone knows enough about Will?

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[info]swooop
2005-10-17 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I'd probably do Matthew Arnold for A and the heck with Auden. And I'd not do either Wallace Stevens or Shakespeare for S. It would be my series, after all, and so I'd be torturing people with lots and lots of maudlin Victorians.

Oh, and Robert Browning for me every time.

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[info]dichroic
2005-10-17 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I spent years looking for a poem by Frost I'd once seen in an anothology. Turns out I couldn't find it because it was actually by Browning. And the funny thing is, in tone and voice, it really does sound like Frost - the one that goes, "All I know of a certain star..."

Maudlin Victorians ...hm. Couldn't be Shelley, wasn't he pre-Victorian? RLS? But he's not terribly maudlin, as Victorians go.

I'm almost tempted to do a series just for the fun of assembling the alphabet, but then I'd actually have to do all the writing.

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[info]swooop
2005-10-17 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Shelley's waaaay before the Victorians. About a 100 years before.

No, actually, my Victorian go-to guy is Algernon Charles Swinburne. About as maudlin as one can get. *g*

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[info]dichroic
2005-10-17 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Nah. My chronology's not great, but it's not that bad. He died in 1822, Victoria was born in 1819 and ascended the throne in 1838. I didn't know the exact years until just now, but I had the extreme length of her reign in mind when I wrote that.

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[info]swooop
2005-10-18 01:04 am UTC (link)
Yes, but Shelley is considered a *Romantic* period poet, despite his birth and death dates. Victorian literature is divided into two periods--the earliest dates at about 1832. Browning and Tenneyson would be considered early Victorian poets. The later period, which Swinburne falls into, dates to about 1865-1870.

You know, maybe tomorrow's post will be on Victorian poetry and its characteristics ;-)

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[info]dichroic
2005-10-18 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I only ask, if you thieve my idea, that you do it properly and not half-assed.

I'm going to do it, because it was fun picking names - you might consider my methodology half-assed, but I will state my parameters in the first entry, and will stipulate that it was your idea and which variations are mine and should not be blamed on you or Geni.

(I believe some things are worth doing half-assed, because otherwise I'd never get to do them at all. For example, rowing. I'm never going to win regattas; I don't have the right genes. But if I worried about it, I'd never get to row at all.)

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